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Democracy within Grand Lodges.

Posted By M Perrott 29/06/2009 00:22:25
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M Perrott
 Posted 29/06/2009 23:50:27
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I was meaning at GLoS "Grand" executive and Provincial level. Those that are not regular members of your Lodge, but "rule" from Head Office as it were.
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 Posted 30/06/2009 00:01:42
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M Perrott (29/06/2009)
I was meaning at GLoS "Grand" executive and Provincial level. Those that are not regular members of your Lodge, but "rule" from Head Office as it were.

I can honestly say that i can't remeber how the grand master is voted on, or even if it is voted on, i would be surprised if it isn't. We are not like UGLE in that sense, i'm sure that your GM has been in place for about 30 years now(from memory) our GM is in a 5 year appointment the same as our provincial GM's. At the level you are talking about each PGM is entitled to put his name forward to be part of the executive committee or any GL committee for that matter. so again we are represented.

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 Posted 30/06/2009 00:13:19
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M Perrott (29/06/2009)
I was meaning at GLoS "Grand" executive and Provincial level. Those that are not regular members of your Lodge, but "rule" from Head Office as it were.

I can honestly say that i can't remeber how the grand master is voted on, or even if it is voted on, i would be surprised if it isn't. We are not like UGLE in that sense, i'm sure that your GM has been in place for about 30 years now(from memory) our GM is in a 5 year appointment the same as our provincial GM's. At the level you are talking about each PGM is entitled to put his name forward to be part of the executive committee or any GL committee for that matter. so again we are represented.

My Grand Master? :P:P:D

;)For the third time I rise to enquire;) :

With all that agreed then, are your degrees worked within the Tyled environment without reference to the democratic process of the appointment of your Grand Officers?

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 Posted 30/06/2009 11:30:33
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M Perrott (29/06/2009)
It is most curious that you chose to use the title Bro. in both threads I am participating in, but have not used it before to other posters. It is not a title I answer to, or Brother, especially on forums. No matter.


On the point of the use of “Brother”—I am just curious as to why if you do not consider yourself a Freemason you would bother to post on this site.

Of course in a legal sense we have a corporate “personality” and so are limited both by the Constitution of our Grand Lodges and the by-laws of the lodge we belong to. If those rules specify votes to be taken in certain circumstances, such as payments from lodge funds, and no vote is taken then the individual is acting unlawfully.The term lawyers use is Ultra Vires.

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 Posted 30/06/2009 18:27:26
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jjs (30/06/2009)

On the point of the use of “Brother”—I am just curious as to why if you do not consider yourself a Freemason you would bother to post on this site.

I was hoping not to drag this up as it really should not be anyones business, but seeing as you asked.

A potted history. I was a member here for quite a while. I left for three reasons. About 2 years ago, I fell out with some posters (it happens, strong views, sometimes not too politely put on both sides), so every time after that I posted something, one or more person would follow me around to pick to pieces what I said, offer insincere patronising advice or just be abusive. Then, parallel to that I became very ill with complications from gall bladder surgery. Someone (a mason, apparently) thought it would be helpful to write an anonymous email to me wishing me dead. I did not open it. My wife did on my behalf, I was in hospital. It was at that time a unique email account that I used only for correspondence with members here.

That same anonymous person, or maybe persons continued with the abusive messages suggesting I was mad, needing psychological help, or that I should leave the UGLE. This was despite me asking them to stop, on the previous incarnation of this Forum.

So I left this forum, and joined another one. The on-forum messages continued on the new forum from the two "unfriendlies" so I asked them to stop. One of them then used the PM system to continue the abuse. And the anonymous emails continued.

I left the UGLE 31.12.08. Two reasons, I saw no benefit from continuing my journey as I did not like the destination others had reached, and I was really sick of the abuse. I hoped it would stop. Some hope, they just deteriorated into the events described on the other thread, and much more that I have not listed.

So, I returned here, thinking I was hiding for no reason, as the abusive emails arrive regardless. I hope it will shame them into stopping.

I was not aware that membership of a masonic Grand Lodge was pre- requisite to membership of this place. I am sure if I was unwelcome the Admins would have told me to stay away.

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 Posted 30/06/2009 18:46:00
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As I said on another thread Mark you are always going to come across a few looneys wherever you go I am not a big poster but like to read the posts made by others I have found your posts/thoughts on some of the threads very informative and interesting long may you continue to post

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 Posted 30/06/2009 18:51:14
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Not wanting to appear as if I'm fighting his battles but:

jjs (30/06/2009)
On the point of the use of “Brother”—I am just curious as to why if you do not consider yourself a Freemason you would bother to post on this site.

This forum is for the discussion of Freemasonry not just by Freemasons but for people with a real interest. This (as it has done for the the last 9 years) includes non-Masons which is why it has no tyled areas, this is an "open" Forum.

M Perrott joined this Forum whilst a Freemason and has re-joined as an ex-Freemason neither situation has made him more or less qualified for membership.

BTW, I share his opinion about the use of the term Bro. outside of Masonic business regardless of whether I think the recipient is a Mason or not.

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Alan Campbell
 Posted 30/06/2009 18:58:18
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Mark, of course i'm not a mod and having you on here is good for discussions but i think you need to get over that fact that some people on forums will call you brother, just like Cora accepts but does not agree with getting called sister instead of brother. You were a mason and i'm going to take a stab in the dark here, apart from the moron/s who sent you the emails and abusive texts you still would like to be part of freemasonry so it's still in your heart. Surely therefor you should accept it in the manner that it is given, in freindship. I think the alternative is we are going to get your story on every thread because you are going to ask the question a lot.
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 Posted 30/06/2009 19:13:15
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[b]M Perrott
I was not aware that membership of a masonic Grand Lodge was pre- requisite to membership of this place. I am sure if I was unwelcome the Admins would have told me to stay away.



It was not meant as a value judgement just curiosity, there is a difference between someone who is not a Freemason but interested and someone who has been a Freemason and decided it was not for him.
I suppose the Internet has the ability to allow disturbed people a means of harassing others and unfortunately Freemasonry attracts “Stalkers” trying to find where we: buried the Grail/keep the Templar’s’ treasurer/co-ordinate the Bilderberg policies etc etc.
I am very sorry to hear about your experience. As you see I put very minimum (and not guaranteed accurate) information about myself.
I have never experienced anything but friendship from brethren in my 20 odd years in Regular Freemasonry and can think of no freemason who would not be appalled by your treatment.
We may have our own views on where the Craft should or should not go but it should be expressed with mutual respect and in a reasonable manner.
Abuse is best left for the School playground or PMQs in the Commons
M Perrott
 Posted 30/06/2009 19:54:48
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Alan Campbell (30/06/2009)
Mark, of course i'm not a mod and having you on here is good for discussions but i think you need to get over that fact that some people on forums will call you brother, just like Cora accepts but does not agree with getting called sister instead of brother. You were a mason and i'm going to take a stab in the dark here, apart from the moron/s who sent you the emails and abusive texts you still would like to be part of freemasonry so it's still in your heart. Surely therefor you should accept it in the manner that it is given, in freindship. I think the alternative is we are going to get your story on every thread because you are going to ask the question a lot.

Thank you for bothering to write that Alan. Do not worry, I will not be writing about the situation again. My status as a Freemason, Brother or not is a closed topic also. Please move on. Mr Perrott, or Mark suits me just fine.


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