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WantToLearn
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Posted 01/09/2010 20:54:33
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hi guyswhat is different about being a GR (LGR or PGR)? what does it mean, and also how does one achieve GR? also how didfferent is senior LGR to just "normal" LGR? many thanks
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Trouillogan
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Posted 01/09/2010 21:09:40
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The first thing is that you do not achieve rank, nor should you be seeking it; to try to do so is very much against the spirit of Freemasonry. That said, there are 'badge chasers' but I feel they have rather missed the point.
Ranks are generally awarded on merit and ability, or should be. The criteria for awards vary from Province to Province and are in the hands of the Provincial Grand Master, within the limits set down in the Book of Constitutions. London Grand Rank is awarded in London. Grand Rank awards are in the hands of Grand Lodge.
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WantToLearn
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Posted 01/09/2010 22:01:19
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no, its not that im a badge chaser, although id be lying (and who wouldnt be... ) if i said i didnt want to do well in the craft.. its just that i know a couple of people that have LGR and wondered how they achieved it and how id happened.
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Trouillogan
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Posted 01/09/2010 22:11:07
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There's probably no way of knowing and it's possible even they might not know either!
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WantToLearn
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Posted 01/09/2010 22:35:26
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ahh right, ok. interesting. thanks
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Mike Martin
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Posted 02/09/2010 00:39:49
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Actually as you will be (I assume) a London Mason you're lucky as our "Honours" system is the flattest, fairest and easiest to understand. However, as has been mentioned you've got quite some years and a lot of work to do before it becomes relevant for you.Basically, MetGL has 3 awards only and if someone is honoured they know why they got it as we all receive the same. Just for clarity the London honours are: 1) London Rank (for non Installed Masters, after at least 10 years as a member and holding a non progressive office for at least 7 years), 2) London Grand Rank (1st award after min 10 years as a member and no less than 5 years out of the Chair) and 3) Senior LGR (min 5 years after LGR and remaining active both in their own Lodge, London Masonry etc). Anything else and you have to have been an actual Officer of MetGL.
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Janus
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Posted 02/09/2010 01:37:06
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Trouillogan (01/09/2010)
There's probably no way of knowing and it's possible even they might not know either!
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Janus
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BroPhil
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Posted 02/09/2010 08:24:00
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Hi WantToLearn,
I have to say I have sympathy with you on this. I am personally not fussed about receiving Grand Rank but have at times been frustrated that an organisation, that I am an active part of, can be so enigmatic about it's own structure. I have had similar responses of - "It doesn't concern you" when all I wanted to know was the meaning of the dark blue apron!
I know this has been a difficult subject on previous threads and don't want to ignite more discussion about the reasons for promotion (or not). But think it would serve our Order better if responses were given to Brethren who are simply taking a genuine interest in the running and make-up of our wonderful Fraternity...
Rant over :)
p.s. if you have any other queries please feel free to IM me :)
W. Bro. Phil Saunders
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WantToLearn
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Posted 02/09/2010 09:08:43
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Mike Martin (02/09/2010)
Actually as you will be (I assume)a London Mason you're lucky as our "Honours" system is the flattest, fairest and easiest to understand. However, as has been mentioned you've got quite some years anda lot of work to do before it becomes relevant for you.
Basically, MetGL has 3 awards only and if someone is honoured they know why they got it as weall receive the same.
Just for clarity the Londonhonours are: 1) London Rank(for non Installed Masters, after at least 10 years as a member and holding a non progressive office for at least 7 years), 2) London Grand Rank(1staward after min 10 years as a member and no less than 5 years out of the Chair)and 3) Senior LGR (min 5 years after LGR and remaining active both in their own Lodge,London Masonry etc). Anything else and you have to have been an actual Officer of MetGL.
Thanks mike. My friends fit the bill so this makes sense why theyre SLGR
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Mike Martin
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Posted 02/09/2010 09:23:39
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BTW, I've amended the topic's title as what we are talking about are correctly known as "honours".What I have described above is strictly the London honours system which is very different to that operated within the Masonic Provinces. Also to further elucidate, as well as "honours" brethren can also earn a "rank" by being actual active Grand Officers in their Provincial or Metropolitan Grand Lodge and even in the Grand Lodge itself. This should not be confused (although they often are) with "honours".
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