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Is Freemasonry a "glorified booze-up"?

Posted By northern star 31/07/2010 14:57:40
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Hello once again,

I feel sure this subject will raise quite a few interesting reviews.

The reasons for my posting this question are as follows:

My initiation ceremony is imminent and during the course of the last few weeks I've been subtlely gauging peoples opinion on the subject of masonry, specifically a couple of work colleagues with whom I respect (they are not masons and they do not know that I wish to become one).

One of the statements related to me has been that freemasonry was basically a "glorified booze up" and that this fact was communicated to one of these chaps through a lodge member friend of his (so it must be true!!!!);).

I would'nt bat an eyelid at this nonsense except for the fact that something was said to me at my lodge committee interview, albeit after the official formal meeting came to a close.

One of the senior members approached me and said "I hope you like a good drink" almost as if it were requisite for my membership application.

This matter has been playing on my mind somewhat. I'm not a big drinker and the nature of my occupation disallows such activity anyway.

To be honest, I'm not joining freemasonry in order to increase my social circle, although I completely understand that this may occur naturally, I also have no ambition to currie favour with any individual nor do I feel the need to improve my standing in life. My reasons for joining are more spiritual in substance. Upon much research I decided that the learning process offered by freemasonry was ideal for my personal way of thinking and reasoning, and I intend to take the matter very seriously.

If it is expected of me to the join the rank of "bar-flys" then perhaps I need to take another look at this.

What do you think?

Northern star.

  

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Dear Northern Star,

The simple answer is no, it is not just a glorified booze -up. If some members treat it that way, then that is sad for them. Indeed there are many teetotal Lodges and many members who do not drink at all. Especially these days, it is nothing short of stupidity to drive to a Lodge meeting and consume alcohol before driving home. On the occasions that I know i am likely to have a drink (Installations and special occasions), my wife drops me off and I get a taxi home. Although I may have had up to or over the drink-drive limit, I am sober. I respect (fear?) my wife far too much to go home sozzled.

When I was on night duty and attending a Lodge prior to duty, I was on soft drinks. Every Lodge has its own character. There is absolutely no reason for you to drink beyond your personal comfort or inclination and no expectation that you "must do so to be one of the boys". If you are driving, then that to me is a good reason for not having any alcoholic drink at all.

And I am very active in Scottish Lodges and Scottish Masonry. I am saddened that, what I am sure was a flippant light hearted remark has caused you such anxiety.

Roy L.

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 Posted 31/07/2010 17:45:09
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I would agree with Roy's comments - there should certainly be no pressure on you to drink if you do not want to

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northern star (31/07/2010)
I feel sure this subject will raise quite a few interesting reviews.  

I suspect quite the opposite! In 16 years as a London and West Kent Mason I can only remember seeing one Mason who was noticeably drunk after a meeting.

However, that is not to say that we go to the Bar and run away, we will happily chat for hours but there is no compulsion to drink.

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 Posted 31/07/2010 23:05:55
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I agree with what has been said so far, it is up to the individual as to how much they consume, if anything at all.
I suspect that the individual who made the comment was reflecting his own 'inner working' and you can rest assured that it isn't compulsory to drink.
Are you joining a UGLE lodge or another jurisdiction?
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Northern Star,

I belong to three different Lodges and have visited a further 20 or so. I have never experienced what you are alluding to. Occasionally people do have a few glasses of wine and if they do generally they have arranged a lift home with another brother. I have never seen anyone anywhere near drunk though.

Most of us have to drive home and most have to go to work the next morning. It simply does not happen.

  Stephen   

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 Posted 31/07/2010 23:47:56
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I am going to agree with the my Bro. Masons here on drink and the lodge. yet here in the states the Masonic Club, That's right Club is the Shrine they do party hard. They also work hard so kids could walk.

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Hello Northern Star,

Don't give up the opportunity to join the best fraternal organization in the world because of something you have heard from non Masons. Join up and form your own opinion, then make a decision.
Just for the record I am not surprised there is this perception of Freemasons especially of English Lodges. I have read on Masonic forums more than once about the 4, 5 and 6 course meals after a meeting coupled with 8 or 9 toasts, numerous references to nipping out to the bar between courses, keeping the meetings short so Brethren can get to the Festive board on time. Some have even admitted they joined the Craft for the social aspects of it.
I think you will find that the English Lodges do have a full on festive boards compared to the Scottish lodges and even our lodges here in Oz but as I said, keep going with you intended plan and make up your own mind along the way.


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 Posted 01/08/2010 08:20:12
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Not sure if I agree, I have been a mason for just over 16 years. I can honestly say that 'drunk brethren' that I have seen at meetings, well I can count them on one hand.

I attended a lodge meeting on Wednesday 28th July. We did a 3rd degree working. At the festive board, there was no alcohol used, and that was by choice. None of the brethren wanted to drink alcohol, instead we all had soft drinks, and coffee.

I think the lodge determines if a 'drinking culture' exists or not. I also know of many 'dry' lodges, that have no alcohol at the festive board. They are also well attended.

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Hi folks,

many thanks for your thoughtful insight.

Your comments have put my mind to rest substantially. I normally would'nt take too much notice of things said by non-masons but it was the statement from the senior committee member that initially caused me some concern.

BTW- The lodge to which I have been accepted comes under UGLE.

Regards,

Northern star.

  


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