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formation of the Premier Grand Lodge

Posted By Gerard J O'Donnell 21/07/2010 21:09:08
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Gerard J O'Donnell
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I am interested in finding out more information on the 4 lodges that met in London to found what is know UGLOE. Any help will be gratefully rcd.

thanks in advance

Gerard

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Many of the questions you are asking can be found by googling. Actually UGLE was formed in 1813. It was the Westminster and London Grand Lodge (aka The Premier GL) that was formed in 1717 by the four London lodges.

http://www.masonicsourcebook.com/grand_lodge_of_england.htm

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Thanks for the links

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Has anyone read the book - Freemasonry in England from 1567 to 1813 by Leon Hyneman. Published in 2003 by Kissinger Publishing. The author (who was a UGLE member) seriously doubts the fact that the so-called Premier GL was formed in 1717 by 4 lodges meeting in a tavern.
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Has anyone read the book - Freemasonry in England from 1567 to 1813 by Leon Hyneman. Published in 2003 by Kissinger Publishing. The author (who was a UGLE member) seriously doubts the fact that the so-called Premier GL was formed in 1717 by 4 lodges meeting in a tavern.

Not as yet, no but here is an on-line copy for you to peruse: http://www.coloradofreemasons.org/pdfDocuments/library/FreemasonryEnglandFrom1567To1813.pdf

Also worth highlighting that he was actually an American Mason not an English one born in 1808 and died in 1880

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Yes, mea culpa Hyneman was not a UGLE member.

Concerning the book by Hyneman. Quoted below - my underlining for emphasis:

"Anderson was one of the originators of the London Grand Lodge, and as a man of strong prejudices he was biased in all his inditings, evidences of which are seen throughout his two publications on every possible occasion, in the omission of historical facts, or giving the contrary construction to, and diverting attention in cases reflecting unfavourably upon the New Grand Lodge. The Books of Anderson, however, are almost universally accepted by the Masonic fraternity as containing a true history of Freemasonry, at least from the time our review commences, and the Ancient Charges, especially those contained in the 1723 edition, are as generally adopted as the fundamental law and basis of Masonic principles. But notwithstanding Anderson's Books of Constitutions were published by order of the London Grand Lodge, with its approval and sanction, yet no more untrustworthy, unreliable books were ever printed under the direction of any organised association. We affirm that Anderson is not to be credited. The Books of Constitutions were written purposely to deceive, to mislead and misrepresent facts as they existed; and if his reports of Grand Lodge Proceedings are true copies of Grand Lodge Records, then the records were corrupted with the design to mislead the reader." (Source: Freemasonry in England from 1567 to 1813, Ancient York and London Grand Lodges, pages 15 and 16, by Leon Hyneman, 1877).

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Here is another interesting paper by a well known Masonic researcher:

http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/bernheim18.html

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Indeed, the four lodges and the date of the formation of the Premier Grand Lodge were contained in the 1738 Book of Constitution. There seems to be no other contemporary evidence on that subject.

However, the Post Boy (London Newsletter) did carry a notice about the publication of Andersons first Constitution in 1723.

The Grand Lodge of the Antients did challenge the formation of the Premier Grand Lodge because only four Lodges were involved and the rules required at least six. (What rules? That raises another question doesn't it?)

As for the conspiracy theories mentioned earlier in this topic... bunk!

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No records of any of the "Four Old Lodges" have been made known, of a date prior to the Grand Lodge era. It is probable that the Lodge of Antiquity, the senior of the "time immemorial" quartette, was a continuation of the Lodge which met under the wing of the Masons' Company, and know as the "Acception" visited by Elias Ashmole in 1682, and susequently dropped by the Company. If the valuable "Antiquity MS" of the "Old Charges" of 1686, was in the possession of the ancient Lodge at that time, it dates back the "Antiquity" beyond that ascribed to it in the Engraved List of 1729, which was 1691. the second of the quartette on the Register was dated 1712, while the others had no dates affixed. The book Multa Paucis for Lovers of Secrets (c. 1764) states that the Master and Wardens of six Lodges assembled at the Apple-Tree in 1716, when it was agreed to revive "their Quarterly Communications". Certainly the early Engraved List (1723-4) partly confirms this view of the matter, as the junior of the historic quartette is placed in the fifth space, the fourth being occupied by a Lodge at "The Cheshire Cheese in Arundell Street," of which we know absolutely nothing more.

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