Has Freemasonry Changed

Thick Lizzy (02/07/2010)

yes it has changed.

At one time, the leading scholars and researchers were apart of it, and the forming of rituals and teachings. Today that is not even close to the same. Ego's have taken over for at least 150years or so, and the Craft has had too many Ego's tampering with it's original purpose.

If freemasonry used to be feared by Monarchs and Religious Pontiffs, why no more?

Once religion and Politics was banned as topics of discussion in Lodges, it became just a Fraternity for men, not a place that spawned revolutions. So, after 1813, there was nothing to fear of freemasonry any more, they stopped being a place for revolutionaries, and started being a place of Loyal Obligated Servants of the Craft, ever being reminded that they took an Oath and cannot dare break it.

hence, slaves in reality.......?

So, yes, it has changed drastically.

Good point..GOdF continue to display engaged Masonry walking through the streets, openly discussing politics and religion, challenging social norms.

Respect

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Amethyst Lodge No. 2, Orient of Tulsa, Oklahoma and Isis Lodge No. 3, Orient of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma...A.F.H.R.

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Mike Martin	Posted 07/06/2010 21:12:30
Apprentice Group: Administrator Last Active: 2 hours ago Posts: 2,562, Visits: 13,013 13,751	A lot of the second degree was added to a new legend about a bloke called Hiram and the 3rd was born but that was of course 300 odd years ago. There wasn't a schism exactly! A second Grand Lodge was formed in England (in 1756) by Irish and Scottish itinerant Masons who made lots of claims about the first Grand Lodge and importantly vice versa then after about 50 years of squabbling they joined together and became the Grand Lodge that we have today. That of course was all finished 200 odd years ago. However, what you're actually talking about is the politics around and caused by Freemasonry not the Freemasonry itself. Mike Mersey Lodge No. 5434 Website The Freemasons'''' Grand Charity Website See my BALLS here
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julesthebit	Posted 17/06/2010 19:39:35
Fellow Group: Forum Member Last Active: 2 days ago @ 10:23:28 Posts: 207, Visits: 1,128 696	As Mike says, there wasn't a schism at all. A separate group (the Antients) arrived in England and set up in competition with the original "Premier" (aka Moderns) GL. That's competition, not a schism. The Antients had come from Ireland and left some of their brand of Freemasonry in Bristol and Bath on their way to London. It's still there. Scots and others joined them. Both sides practiced the RA. The Antients worked it as a 4th Degree, available strictly by invitation only to a very select few Past Masters. The Premier GL (Moderns) worked the RA as a separate Order. The concept that the RA was the completion of the 3rd degree was never actually true, even though it was slavishly repeated for ages. It was a political compromise which allowed both sides some feeling that their brand of RA was the accepted one when the status of the RA was finally worked out. S&F, Jules
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Thick Lizzy	Posted 02/07/2010 13:57:43
Apprentice Group: Forum Member Last Active: 21/09/2010 23:51:57 Posts: 6, Visits: 15 26	yes it has changed. At one time, the leading scholars and researchers were apart of it, and the forming of rituals and teachings. Today that is not even close to the same. Ego's have taken over for at least 150years or so, and the Craft has had too many Ego's tampering with it's original purpose. If freemasonry used to be feared by Monarchs and Religious Pontiffs, why no more? Once religion and Politics was banned as topics of discussion in Lodges, it became just a Fraternity for men, not a place that spawned revolutions. So, after 1813, there was nothing to fear of freemasonry any more, they stopped being a place for revolutionaries, and started being a place of Loyal Obligated Servants of the Craft, ever being reminded that they took an Oath and cannot dare break it. hence, slaves in reality.......? So, yes, it has changed drastically. "We don't necessarily discriminate. We simply exclude certain types of people." -Colonel Gerald Wellman, ROTC instructor
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lauderdale	Posted 02/07/2010 16:10:30
Past Master Group: Forum Member Last Active: 10/07/2011 06:43:06 Posts: 2,122, Visits: 4,278 5,506	Perhaps a somewhat "robust" way of saying it but I can see where you are coming from "Thick Lizzy". Possibly this is a cultural matter? I have found that English people do not like to mix Politics, Religion and Freemasonry, they prefer to keep these in separate compartments. The French and other continental peoples take a different view and often such matters, Taboo to UGLE Masons, will be discussed during a Meeting in for example GOdF. I have seen both approaches but cannot really say which is the better, there are valid arguments on both sides. I suppose it is a question of what approach to Freemasonry and its place in Society at large appeals the more to the Individual and it is for each to decide which they prefer and to which they are better suited.
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Brother_TJ	Posted 02/07/2010 19:01:12
Fellow Group: Forum Member Last Active: 17/01/2012 00:42:17 Posts: 247, Visits: 376 697	Thick Lizzy (02/07/2010) yes it has changed. At one time, the leading scholars and researchers were apart of it, and the forming of rituals and teachings. Today that is not even close to the same. Ego's have taken over for at least 150years or so, and the Craft has had too many Ego's tampering with it's original purpose. If freemasonry used to be feared by Monarchs and Religious Pontiffs, why no more? Once religion and Politics was banned as topics of discussion in Lodges, it became just a Fraternity for men, not a place that spawned revolutions. So, after 1813, there was nothing to fear of freemasonry any more, they stopped being a place for revolutionaries, and started being a place of Loyal Obligated Servants of the Craft, ever being reminded that they took an Oath and cannot dare break it. hence, slaves in reality.......? So, yes, it has changed drastically. Good point..GOdF continue to display engaged Masonry walking through the streets, openly discussing politics and religion, challenging social norms. Respect .·.·.·.·.·.·.·.·.·.·.·. Amethyst Lodge No. 2, Orient of Tulsa, Oklahoma and Isis Lodge No. 3, Orient of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma...A.F.H.R.
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