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Danny
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Posted 29/04/2010 18:47:24
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Hope some of these questions i am now posting aren't to silly, have said in one of my last posts that i do have quite a few questions trying to put them in some sort of logical order and can i just apologise if some of the questions i post have already been discussed (like last topic).Basically my question is the title Who Is Hiram Abiff?
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Mike Martin
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Posted 29/04/2010 19:22:33
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Sparker
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Posted 30/04/2010 00:08:24
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While it is important to remember that Solomon is real.. Hiram Abif is most definitely NOT a real character from history.
Tony.
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Alan Campbell
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Posted 30/04/2010 10:15:29
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I always found it strange that every other character or person mentioned from history in freemasonic lectures and rituals are real, as far as the bible is concerned anyway, but hiram abiff isn't, i have always thought that there must be more to this than just a made up story.
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lauderdale
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Posted 30/04/2010 10:52:28
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With regard to Hiram a Biff.He could have existed as a lot was over the centuries edited out of what we now accept as being "The Bible". As an example the Apocrypha, sometimes called the Deuterocanonical Books, which appear in the RC Latin Vulgate but not in the KJV. There were also Books such as "The Gospel of Thomas" which do not appear in the present day Bible. Perhaps Hiram is one of those semi-legendary characters sych as Gaius Mucius Scaevola and Marcus Atilius Regulus who suffered or died to uphold a moral principle and were used as an illustration and symbol thereof?
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Russell Holland
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Posted 30/04/2010 12:10:14
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Alan Campbell (30/04/2010)
hiram abiff isn't, i have always thought that there must be more to this than just a made up story.
There is a view that the Hiram story is a veiled version of the killing of James the Just (brother of Jesus) who was apparently thrown down from the temple and killed by blows to the head with a fuller's club, after which all work stopped on the temple.
The theory is that James the Just (leader of the Jerusalem Church) has an importance not admitted in current versions of the Bible and so his memory is preserved in secret teachings.
See also The Hiram Key http://www.knight-lomas.com/hiramkey.html
and The Bible Fraud http://www.thebiblefraud.com/
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Keith
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Posted 01/05/2010 03:01:58
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THere is Biblical authority for the existence of Hiram the Widow's Son but not for the traditional history as is in our Ritual. The various references for Hiram are :
1 Kings, Ch. 7 v. 13,14, also 15 to 30 and 46
II Chronicles, Ch. 2 v 13, Ch.4 v.16 The expression "did Huram his father make" is used when translating 'Hiram Abif'. Anderson insists that the man's name should be 'Hiram Abiff' and this was the name adopted for Masonic use. The Revised Standard Version uses 'Hiram Abi' while Martin Luther in 1556 had translated the Hebrew as 'Hiram Abif' and this also appears in the Coverdale Bible of 1535. Possibly one of these translations was the source of Anderson's statement
(Some of this is sourced from "THe Bible in Freemasonry" A Lewis Masonic publishers 1975)
Keith
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lauderdale
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Posted 01/05/2010 07:37:18
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Thanks Bro Keith, some useful references there. As he was a Widow's Son, is there any reference in the Bible or elsewhere as to who was his father?
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Janus
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Posted 01/05/2010 17:51:21
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Some very prominent masonic writers like to think that the legend of Hiram, as we know it, is a remake of the ancient Egyptian legend of Isis and Osiris. The two stories are very similar and I can see why a lot of writers and researchers on the subject have come to that conclusion.
The links that Mike posted above also points to a Rosicrucian source which is plausible given the spiritual context of the time (early 18th century Europe) . This would, if anything, reinforce the connection between the Hiram and Isis/Osiris Legends.
Janus
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Eldmar
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Posted 01/05/2010 23:50:08
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Hi Janus, would you mind expanding on the Egyptian connection a little, Egyptian history has been a passion of mine for many years, and there are a huge number of myths surrounding all of the Egyptian Deities.
The main theme with Osiris being that he was a fertility and vegetation Deity, constantly fighting his brother Set, who was jealous of him. Set killed Osiris and hid the body, Isis recovered it. After Isis had resurrected Osiris, Set killed him again, this time he dismembered him, cutting him into seven pieces. It is told that Isis could only find 6 of the pieces, and so fashioned the seventh out of wood. She then mated with the corpse of Osiris, and conceived Horus. Osiris then went on to become the God of the Underworld.
Not really sure where the Hiramic legend fits in here. Was it a Knight / Lomas book you read?
Best wishes
Eldmar.
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