Chapter and KT

New2Craft (12/03/2010)

What I mean is why is it required? Why can't a newly raised Master mason become a Knight Templar? is a good working knowledge of HRA an important building block to understanding the KT? It is mostly with reference to the English Constitution that I'd like to know since Scottish rite is so different.

These things sometimes aren't quite so straight forward.

When the KT degree started being kicked around there was a lot of competition for a lot of different new degrees.

Now there where a lot of other degrees kicking around however the HRA was an accepted degree and at the time you had to be a PM to join. Also bear in mind that back then not every one would make it to the Chair.

So to make membership of HRA a pre requisite to joining your new order would in fact add some cudos to your order.

I am not saying that is the full story. Just a part thereof...

We may also take the old argument about the HRA being the completion of the 3rd into account...

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New2Craft	Posted 11/03/2010 23:47:26
Apprentice Group: Forum Member Last Active: 23/03/2012 10:13:06 Posts: 95, Visits: 474 445	Can anyone tell me why you have to be in Chapter to join KT? Is there a similar kind of continuity between Chapter and KT as there is between say Craft and Mark or Craft and Chapter? Temple Lodge: 4963 Junior Deacan Brunswick Chapter: 408
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*Tom Cherup*	Posted 12/03/2010 01:06:42
Forum Moderator Group: Moderator Last Active: Yesterday @ 23:10:41 Posts: 1,550, Visits: 4,958 5,757	New2Craft (11/03/2010) Can anyone tell me why you have to be in Chapter to join KT? Is there a similar kind of continuity between Chapter and KT as there is between say Craft and Mark or Craft and Chapter? It is a required progression like being an EA before, FC before MM. I'm in Scottish Rite to get there I had to go through Lodge of Perfection, then Council Prices of Jerusalem, then Rose Croix before I got my 32nd degree in Detroit Consistory. Here that grouping Chapter through is called Royal Arch. Tom Cherup 32° Olive Branch Lodge #542 Dearborn, Michigan Scottish Rite - Valley of Detroit Detroit Masonic Temple - It''s bigger than yours!
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New2Craft	Posted 12/03/2010 19:49:42
Apprentice Group: Forum Member Last Active: 23/03/2012 10:13:06 Posts: 95, Visits: 474 445	What I mean is why is it required? Why can't a newly raised Master mason become a Knight Templar? is a good working knowledge of HRA an important building block to understanding the KT? It is mostly with reference to the English Constitution that I'd like to know since Scottish rite is so different. Temple Lodge: 4963 Junior Deacan Brunswick Chapter: 408
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Alan Campbell	Posted 12/03/2010 20:02:55
Past Master Group: Forum Member Last Active: Yesterday @ 19:01:12 Posts: 1,326, Visits: 2,429 5,585	To me HRA is an explanation as to why the KT's are connected to Freemasonry in the first place so i would say that, you have to be through HRA before joining the KT's, it just makes more sense.
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dp	Posted 13/03/2010 11:01:42
Journeyman Group: Forum Member Last Active: 01/05/2012 09:46:34 Posts: 1,079, Visits: 3,071 3,043	New2Craft (12/03/2010) What I mean is why is it required? Why can't a newly raised Master mason become a Knight Templar? is a good working knowledge of HRA an important building block to understanding the KT? It is mostly with reference to the English Constitution that I'd like to know since Scottish rite is so different. These things sometimes aren't quite so straight forward. When the KT degree started being kicked around there was a lot of competition for a lot of different new degrees. Now there where a lot of other degrees kicking around however the HRA was an accepted degree and at the time you had to be a PM to join. Also bear in mind that back then not every one would make it to the Chair. So to make membership of HRA a pre requisite to joining your new order would in fact add some cudos to your order. I am not saying that is the full story. Just a part thereof... We may also take the old argument about the HRA being the completion of the 3rd into account...
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New2Craft	Posted 13/03/2010 11:47:01
Apprentice Group: Forum Member Last Active: 23/03/2012 10:13:06 Posts: 95, Visits: 474 445	That makes sense, since there are several degrees that require you to be an installed maste like HRAKTP. Temple Lodge: 4963 Junior Deacan Brunswick Chapter: 408
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dp	Posted 13/03/2010 11:58:44
Journeyman Group: Forum Member Last Active: 01/05/2012 09:46:34 Posts: 1,079, Visits: 3,071 3,043	New2Craft (13/03/2010) That makes sense, since there are several degrees that require you to be an installed maste like HRAKTP. And degrees where you can't go through the Chair unless you have done so in Craft. If I were to start a new order I would look at what sort of person I would like in that order and then base my joining requirements around that. If I wanted to start something esoteric then I would more than likely make membership of SRIA a pre requisite. Equally there may be something about the HRA generally rather than specifically that was thought to provide a good base to KT. Certainly whilst I do not make a ceremonial connection between HRA and KT we know that HRA is the finding of that which is lost and that KT is a Christian order. I don't feel I can go too far down that route on an open forum but I am sure you will understand what I am trying to convey.
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