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Sparker
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Posted 14/03/2010 19:15:04
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sojourner (13/03/2010)
Is the jewel in question one that hangs form the bottom of a PM's collar, or is it a PM's breast jewel, worn in the jacket pocket?
We are speaking of the jewel presented to the Past Master when he comes out of the Chair.
The Jewel on the collar of a PM is the same as worn by any Past Master or Immediate Past Master. The IMMEDIATE Past Masters COLLAR is different. If memory serves, there is no silver strip parallel with the edges of the collar on an IMMEDIATE Past Masters collar, whereas a Past Master who has completed his year as IPM has a collar with a silver strip on it and he wears this until he receives Provincial or Grand Honours.
Tony.
I.P.M. Neptune Lodge No. 1264.
P.M. of Wilbraham Lodge No. 1713,
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Member of Tranquility Lodge No. 2000 (USA):D
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Posted 14/03/2010 19:54:09
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Correct in every material particular Bro Sparker.
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lauderdale
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Posted 14/03/2010 21:04:14
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I too have seen the "Russian General" or "W Bro Herman Goering" types too. Whatever floats your boat I suppose. All used to wear when in UGLE was my PM's Breast Jewel, Royal Masonic Hospital Breast Jewel and my London Lodge Centenary Jewel.These days I still wear my UGLE Mother Lodge PMs Breast Jewel but on the left side on my LDH IM's Collar. (I bought the Breast Jewel from my UGLE Lodge so it is my personal property). Our MPGC has no problem with my wearing it as LDH accepts UGLE's Degrees etc as fully valid. The only other thing I wear these days is my 18th Degree Collarette as in LDH Craft is the first 3 Degrees of a Continuty to the 33rd Degree of the A&ASR, one of the many points is which we differ from UGLE. In the fullness of time I may become Master of a Craft Lodge in LDH in which case I will wear that Breast Jewel on my collar as well.
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BroDFB
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Posted 15/03/2010 08:54:11
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Sparker (14/03/2010)
[quote]sojourner (13/03/2010)
The IMMEDIATE Past Masters COLLAR is different. If memory serves, there is no silver strip parallel with the edges of the collar on an IMMEDIATE Past Masters collar, whereas a Past Master who has completed his year as IPM has a collar with a silver strip on it and he wears this until he receives Provincial or Grand Honours.
Tony.
Sorry disagree, IPM is not an officer of the lodge and as such cannot wear an active officers collar (unless another role).
Dave
PM & Secretary: Lodge of Triumph No. 1061 (W.Lancs)Brigantes Lodge No. 9734 (C & W)IPZ: St. Annes Chapter No. 2457 (W.Lancs)MWS: Fylde Rose Croix No. 1085
James Edward Glover RCC No. 451"It may disturb you, It scares the willies out of me!" :D
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chestnut
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Posted 16/03/2010 08:29:22
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To clarify
262. The collars of Officers of private Lodges shall be
of light blue ribbon four inches wide
264. Past Masters of private Lodges shall wear collars
of light blue ribbon, four inches wide, with silver braid a
quarter of an inch wide in the centre.
Therefore as the IPM is not an Officer of the Lodge his collar has the silver braid.
David
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yorksmason
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Posted 16/03/2010 17:22:15
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Not forgetting of course that the IPM may already be a PM or indeed a Grand Officer.
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chestnut
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Posted 16/03/2010 19:21:03
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yorksmason (16/03/2010)
Not forgetting of course that the IPM may already be a PM or indeed a Grand Officer.
Yes but that is irrelevant as he would wear the collar of his rank i.e. PM and in addition wear the collar as IPM.
David
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BroDFB
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Posted 17/03/2010 08:09:50
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yorksmason (16/03/2010)
Not forgetting of course that the IPM may already be a PM or indeed a Grand Officer.
Surely the IPM is a PM by definition. Unless you meant Provincial....
Dave
PM & Secretary: Lodge of Triumph No. 1061 (W.Lancs)Brigantes Lodge No. 9734 (C & W)IPZ: St. Annes Chapter No. 2457 (W.Lancs)MWS: Fylde Rose Croix No. 1085
James Edward Glover RCC No. 451"It may disturb you, It scares the willies out of me!" :D
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Roy V
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Posted 18/03/2010 10:14:28
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Added confusion might occur in that this year, having filled up all the little shields on the Master's collar, we have given it over to the IPM and purchased a new one for the Master.Of course, unless one looks closely at the shields to see which collar has the blank ones, how does one tell which is worn by the IPM? Thereby hangs a Problem. :laugh: [Note also, in Middlesex we are forbidden to wear a PM's jewel after gaining dark blue.]
PM 5770Middlesex
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chestnut
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Posted 18/03/2010 10:33:24
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Roy V (18/03/2010)
Added confusion might occur in that this year, having filled up all the little shields on the Master's collar, we have given it over to the IPM and purchased a new one for the Master.
Of course, unless one looks closely at the shields to see which collar has the blank ones, how does one tell which is worn by the IPM?
Thereby hangs a Problem. :laugh:
[Note also, in Middlesex we are forbidden to wear a PM's jewel after gaining dark blue.]
Hi Roy,
Whilst that is a lovely touch, the IPM collar would be incorrect as per the BoC and therefore this should not be done.
However the Province forbids the wearing of PM jewels! There is nothing within the BoC which forbids it and as we are rightly informed at our initiation and installation that the BoC provides all the answers. I would therefore as allowed by the GL which is a higher authority than any PGL, continue to wear the jewel. Any PM has worked hard and long to earn that, nobody will tell me not to wear mine.
David
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