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Yes, Mike, those are good pictures, but I think the Durham one was actually at Beamish museum, and a bit of a one-off.

To discuss other points raised:

"Openness yes but public processions and church attendances should be the way, Wearing regalia whilst presenting charity cheques for good causes"

I agree, but down south, it could be difficult to find a church that would let us through the door - I was in fact stopped from administering the chalice in an Anglican church because someone (+ the new lady priest) objected to a "satan worshipper" being part of the service.

There are some parts of Scotland where it is very open and virtually the whole village has at least one male family member in the craft.

Yeah, like I said, Scotland! (Even in parts.)

there are still some old boys who think that freemasonry is a branch of the Orange order.

Unless proper FM publicises itself more, that is a possibility. I remember asking my proposer to confirm that FM was nothing to do with "that Orange lot in NI". After all, I had seen more of those persons in regalia* than anyone in blue, light or dark.

* Via the TV - we are happily free of that Order down south.

PM 5770

Middlesex

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Iain	Posted 11/01/2009 22:08:39
Master Group: Forum Member Last Active: 17/11/2011 12:26:40 Posts: 588, Visits: 770 674	This is what is a big part of the Scottish problem which is where the ailienation of freemasonry comes from. How many people will it take to read the likes of this (see link) with the addition of watching freemasons on TV and cry bigotry and sectarianism. In Scots freemasonry we have been trying to rid ourselfs from this stigma for a lot of years The fact is that the orange order was created by at the time Clandestine or hedge masons, Clandestine because they worked degrees outwith the 3 degree system ie the royal arch degrees http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Institution With the new TV and book additions being added from freemasons it has the possibility of setting the work we have done over years back, That is why I get heated and somewhat vocal when I see not the anti masons as usual but brothers of the craft adding fuel to a fire that they cannot see. Cheers, Iain Dumbarton Kilwinning Lodge No 18
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David	Posted 12/01/2009 00:14:56
Fellow Group: Forum Member Last Active: 02/01/2012 23:59:50 Posts: 123, Visits: 1,490 258	Mike "It is time for Freemasonry in Britain to resume its former place as a pillar of Society and to be recognised as such by non-Masons." Is this a reference to the radio programme of about 20 years ago called "Masons, pillars of society"? In it Lord Cornwallis stated the foundations of Freemasonry as friendship and fun and I quoted him at my interview. I have to say that I have sympathy for Iain's exasperation, the saving grace is that possibly the vast majority of the viewers will have missed the signicance of the bits excercising Ian's and others minds. While taking on board the comments about the publication of those parts and more in books and the internet, those two programmes, admittedly on a regional basis, will have made many more people aware then are likely to read it in a book or trawl through the internet to find it. S & F David
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lauderdale	Posted 12/01/2009 05:42:12
Excellent Master Group: Forum Member Last Active: 10/07/2011 06:43:06 Posts: 2,136, Visits: 4,278 2,476	Bro David, even long before the Internet was but a dream, when the one way communications device in most people's home was a Wireless using valves (vacuum tubes) and few had a TV set there was a book published in 1952, Darkness Visible, by Walton Hannah. It is available to this day, from the likes of Amazon and even in the shops in Gt Queen Street London and in Letchworth's Shop in Freemason's Hall itself. I read it in my teens and ignoring Hannah's anti-Masonic opinions I found that it gave a detailed and accurate account of the Rituals etc. It whetted my appetite to become a Freemason. Reading this or any other book will not of course make one a Freemason.
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john lc	Posted 12/01/2009 08:45:30
Apprentice Group: Forum Member Last Active: 01/12/2011 19:39:54 Posts: 28, Visits: 103 83	Brethren, Below is a link to the East Kent Prov. Website and, inparticular an article on the wreath laying at one of the local Remembrance Parades. I for one certainly encourage this level of openeness, and have laid a wreath on behalf of one of my Lodges (with Military history) for the last couple of years (I am second from right). http://www.eastkentfreemasons.org/news/2008/Remembrance.shtml enjoyed the television articles too, but would rather not have seen the grip shown. jc
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lauderdale	Posted 12/01/2009 17:04:28
Excellent Master Group: Forum Member Last Active: 10/07/2011 06:43:06 Posts: 2,136, Visits: 4,278 2,476	Marvellous Bro John, that's the way to go!
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Iain	Posted 12/01/2009 17:24:25
Master Group: Forum Member Last Active: 17/11/2011 12:26:40 Posts: 588, Visits: 770 674	That is outstanding John, That is what I am trying to do in my own home town, We do have a rememberence service internaly that is attended by our Lodge and Chapter and Brethren, But to me it is time for lodges etc to attend the Local services as a lodge Cheers, Iain Dumbarton Kilwinning Lodge No 18
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Roy V	Posted 12/01/2009 17:30:57
Past Master Group: Forum Member Last Active: Yesterday @ 13:42:01 Posts: 773, Visits: 1,439 993	John lc: well done, but as has been said elsewhere, "collars only, no aprons". It would be nice to see a full "pinny parade" marching into church (but stop the DC from holding anyone's hand :blush:).) PM 5770 Middlesex
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Mike Martin	Posted 12/01/2009 19:22:52
Excellent Master Group: Administrator Last Active: 1 hour ago Posts: 2,321, Visits: 11,819 2,755	Roy V (12/01/2009) It would be nice to see a full "pinny parade" marching into church (but stop the DC from holding anyone's hand :blush:).) Is this the sort of thing you mean? Laying the Foundation Stone at Lurgan Masonic Hall in 1899 (borrowed from the PGL of Armagh website) 2007 in durham Mike Mike Mersey Lodge No. 5434 Website The Freemasons'''' Grand Charity Website See my BALLS here
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lauderdale	Posted 12/01/2009 19:36:24
Excellent Master Group: Forum Member Last Active: 10/07/2011 06:43:06 Posts: 2,136, Visits: 4,278 2,476	Collars are a start but yes I would also like to see the Brethren in Full Regalia, Apron as well as Collar.
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Roy V	Posted 12/01/2009 21:11:52
Past Master Group: Forum Member Last Active: Yesterday @ 13:42:01 Posts: 773, Visits: 1,439 993	Yes, Mike, those are good pictures, but I think the Durham one was actually at Beamish museum, and a bit of a one-off. To discuss other points raised: "Openness yes but public processions and church attendances should be the way, Wearing regalia whilst presenting charity cheques for good causes" I agree, but down south, it could be difficult to find a church that would let us through the door - I was in fact stopped from administering the chalice in an Anglican church because someone (+ the new lady priest) objected to a "satan worshipper" being part of the service. There are some parts of Scotland where it is very open and virtually the whole village has at least one male family member in the craft. Yeah, like I said, Scotland! (Even in parts.) there are still some old boys who think that freemasonry is a branch of the Orange order. Unless proper FM publicises itself more, that is a possibility. I remember asking my proposer to confirm that FM was nothing to do with "that Orange lot in NI". After all, I had seen more of those persons in regalia* than anyone in blue, light or dark. * Via the TV - we are happily free of that Order down south. PM 5770 Middlesex
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