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sojourner
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Posted 04/01/2011 13:06:59
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I joined Mark, before Chapter. And that is absolutely the right way to do it. The term "fun Degree" is misleading. The "friendly Degree" is a more fitting description. There is nothing about the Mark degree that is "frivolous" if done properly and with dignity.I would echo the advice not to be pulled in to too many side Degrees, too soon.. First start to understand the Craft Degrees. These are the vital building blocks of everything else. You are not "less of a Mason" because you don't happen to be in Chapter, or KT's or Red Cross. And you are not "more of a Mason" because you are in Secret Monitor or Rose Croix, etc. All Degrees have useful moral lessons to teach. But no Degree is "more important" than another. And there is nothing sadder than a Bro's Craft Lodge attendance falling off because he is "too busy" in other Degrees. If you have decided on an interest in Mark, don't be put off by the detractors. Not being in the Mark is their loss.
Roy L."SELUME PROFERRE"
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gsudron
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Posted 04/01/2011 20:28:59
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sojourner (04/01/2011) The term "fun Degree" is misleading. The "friendly Degree" is a more fitting description. There is nothing about the Mark degree that is "frivolous" if done properly and with dignity.
sojourner (04/01/2011)
If you have decided on an interest in Mark, don't be put off by the detractors. Not being in the Mark is their loss.
Very well said, on both counts.
Guy
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wayne cowley
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Posted 04/01/2011 21:30:33
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I totally agree with what sojourner has said
Wayne
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Anubis99
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Posted 05/01/2011 13:47:34
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Mark is the only order aside from Craft that I have joined. I left a good year from my being raised to the 3rd to joining my Mark lodge. I pursued my own research through a daily advancement, spoke with others here and elsewhere and realised that the Mark in my opinion was the next logical step being the completion of the Second.I have since read some very good histories of the degree, one such written by the past PGM of the Mark degree in Wiltshire. It is by no means a fun nor frivolous as others have already pointed out. It may be slightly more relaxed in character but by no means less important in its teachings.
The Border Lodge 3129, Wiltshire
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sojourner
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Posted 05/01/2011 15:10:59
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Anubis99 (05/01/2011) It may be slightly more relaxed in character but by no means less important in its teachings.Hear, hear! If I was to be asked to recommend an order to join things after Craft (and this is a personal opinion), it would be Mark, Chapter, and Cryptic (Royal and Select in England). That way you complete the Hiramic Legend. If you still have the time, inclination (and money) after that, whatever takes your fancy. Some may fancy the "Christian" Degrees such as KT's or Rose Croix, others the more secular such as Allied Degrees or Royal Order of Scotland. I stress that there are no Degrees (except Craft) more important than any other. You are not less of a Mason because you are not in this or that, any more than you are more of a Mason because you are.
Roy L."SELUME PROFERRE"
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Kev
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Posted 05/01/2011 16:56:09
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Am I correct in thinking that when I'm ready to join KT (which is my aim) I have to go through Mark 1st? would it be prudent of me to start to look around for suitable Mark lodges before I take my 3rd which should be around the April time? My original thought was to stay with craft for a couple of years learn my trade before moving on, or is it the norm to go into Mark straight after taking a 3rd or soon after? my apologies for all the questions.
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bod
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Posted 05/01/2011 17:50:42
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Depends where you are in the world Kevin, altho my advice would be to stick to just craft until you have got as far as Junior Warden - then you will have a few years as Master Mason under your belt, be comfortable with your role in lodge, understand it all a bit more, and understand the demands on your time and your money that your craft membership has.This will vary depending on the 'ladder' in one's lodge, and is also a matter of personal choice, however, I really wouldn't rush to join other degree's - its a journey not a race Plus, KT isn't really my thing, I'm not a christian so am not permitted to join under UGLE
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sojourner
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Posted 06/01/2011 08:33:35
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Kev (05/01/2011) Am I correct in thinking that when I'm ready to join KT (which is my aim) I have to go through Mark 1st? would it be prudent of me to start to look around for suitable Mark lodges before I take my 3rd which should be around the April time? My original thought was to stay with craft for a couple of years learn my trade before moving on, or is it the norm to go into Mark straight after taking a 3rd or soon after? my apologies for all the questions.No. In order to join KT in England or Scotland, you must be a member of Royal Arch Chapter. You do not have to be a Mark Mason in England in order to join Chapter. In Scotland the Mark Degree is a Chapter Degree, and is the first of the three Chapter Degrees you will go through upon joining a Scottish Chapter. It is also given in Craft Lodges by arrangement with the Supreme Grand Chapter of Scotland. In Scotland a Mason is not considered "complete" until he is a Mark Mason. My advice (assuming you are in an English Craft Lodge) is,"Take your time". It is not a case of "staying with Craft for a couple of years before moving on." The Craft is a permanent part of your future with Masonry and the most important. Not something you have to do to do something else, and can then drop. Some members never join anything else but Craft. Others feel you should go through the Chair of your Craft Lodge before going on to anything else. I think you need some advice from your proposer and/or seconder/Lodge Mentor.
Roy L."SELUME PROFERRE"
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Kev
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Posted 06/01/2011 15:04:13
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sojourner (06/01/2011) [quote]Kev (05/01/2011)
My advice (assuming you are in an English Craft Lodge) is,"Take your time". It is not a case of "staying with Craft for a couple of years before moving on." The Craft is a permanent part of your future with Masonry and the most important. Not something you have to do to do something else, and can then drop.
Some members never join anything else but Craft. Others feel you should go through the Chair of your Craft Lodge before going on to anything else. I think you need some advice from your proposer and/or seconder/Lodge Mentor.
I won't be leaving craft it's far to important to me, I'm one of lifes planners unfortunately I tend to look into the future and plan my route way ahead, my end goal is KT but the journey to it is going to one I will enjoy every day, I just don't want to take a wrong turning along the way
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bod
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Posted 06/01/2011 15:47:21
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I see from your profile that you are in Luton, which I'm presuming means you are a UGLE mason - but of courase you may well be a member of a different jurisdiction, so apologies if you aren't UGLE, in which case the rest of this post doesnt' apply. As advised RA is required for KT, and at time of joining you need to be a subscribing member of a UGLE craft lodge, you also need to be a trinitarian christian to join KT in England
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