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Posted By Alan Campbell 19/11/2009 08:25:53
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Alan Campbell
 Posted 21/11/2009 15:29:43
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What sort of evidence are you looking for multisync, apart from the lack of photographic evidence there is certainly minute book evidence which goes back a lot further than the victorian era, Most lodges paraded every year for a church service, In Edinburgh there is a great amount of recorded evidence, especially the lodge of journeymen masons no.8, who headed the parade with the "Blue Blanket" (google it, its a good story).
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 Posted 22/11/2009 08:44:40
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That's the idea! A wonderful spectacle and a great tradition.
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 Posted 22/11/2009 21:45:20
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Here's a nice addendum to the pictures I posted previously. When you stop to realise that Edwardian newsreel was far rarer than Victorian photographs you start to get a feel for just how common "regalia in public" actually was:

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=18843

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=3270

This one is particularly interesting:

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=72628

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Alan Campbell
 Posted 23/11/2009 09:47:41
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I was at a lodge meeting on Wednesday past and the standard bearer was the first into the lodge carrying the standard, followed by the sword bearer and then the master. The standard was then handed to the master who placed it in the east behind him but on display. I really do think that piublic parades in our refinery should be positively encouraged. I also understand that there are brethren who for their own personal reasons wouldn't want to take part but it should not stop others from doing so.
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 Posted 23/11/2009 11:47:59
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multisync (21/11/2009)
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Advertising is for me totally against the masonic principles of discretion that are fundamental in our philosophy.


I don't see how it is - there is a historical perspective to bear in mind, prior to the 2nd world war freemasonry was far more open and public, as is evidenced by Mike's pics.
Unfortunately a lot of people seem to think we have always been the way we are, and we haven't.


That is possibly a bit of selective history? Certainly the late Victorians were parading and more open but that doesn't account for the 150 years before then.If anyone has an authoritative account of openness through the ages then we can put that era into context and it then may be seen as the norm or possibly not.


Erm, no, we did have to wait for the advent of photography to be able to get a photographic record, so mid to late 1800's is when we start to see phtographic images appearing of social events. If we look to the available sources before then we see pamphleteers, painters, etc recording these events. Again, given that reading and writing were not generally acquired skills the audience would have been limited.
It also needs to be recognised that the industrial revolution greatly increased the population and the dispersal of it, meaning a more urbanised existence and a move from rural communities. Hope that helps to show why I feel that it is our recent 'cloaking' that is an innovation, as opposed to something we are returning to.
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 Posted 23/11/2009 12:31:23
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Met GL took part in this years Lord Mayors show.

see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMQML8Ri1xo

 (about 6.41 into the clip).

Blink and you'll miss it though!

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 Posted 23/11/2009 13:36:34
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multisync (21/11/2009)
The difference then to now is that we no longer as selective with regard to social status given the fact that we 'celebrate' a soap star as a famous mason rather than a PM etc. Thus a parade of roofers, binmen, cabbies, the odd all round family entertainer etc (God bless them) perhaps doesn't carry the same kudos. . I also find those photo's of those dressed up laying stones and marching rather cringe worthy.There is no need IMHO.

Once a year a member of our Lodge is invited to the Mayors Christmas luncheon. Someone goes -but he's not dressed up like a Christmas tree!

Advertising the Craft is insulting to me at least. Where would it be advertised. On telly, during  current affairs?, news?, X-Factor? Tracy Beaker?.

 "hey don't forget folks :2b1ask1!" *winks to camera*

 Why the need to show the world, I thought Freemasonry is an inner journey.??

 Parading is all about "look at me" type stuff. Don't kid yourself it's anything else.You want others to look at you slightly different in a "wow look,it's xyzx he lives by me" ego puffery BS. I'm 'proud' to be in the Craft but I do not have the urge to wander around Market square dressed up all fancy like.....

Personally I would not ever be seen outside the Lodge with my regalia on. That includes photo's etc. It's a society with secrets, lets keep it that way...

Multisync, why be so negative. The glass can be half full and still contain the same as yours that is half empty.

A well thought out advertisement well placed does not have to be anything like you suggest here...A parade does not have to be pompous as you suggest.

When we parade into the Temple (or Lodge room) are you saying 'look at me' - no of course not. And why do you describe being dressed in our regalia as being 'dressed up all fancy like' and even worse 'dressed up like a Christmas tree'. That is not at all how I feel when I put my regalia on.

There are many examples of groups that parade in public who are proud to do so but are not guilty of the excess that you describe. I would be pleased & proud to take part in a parade on certain occasions and at certain times in public. As long as it was sensitive and for a good reason. 

Plainly there are very different views on this but I think that we should all be much more open about being Freemasons. Its the secrecy that fuels the anti's - take the secrecy away and they have nothing else to feed on.

Vintagemalt

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andys (23/11/2009)
Met GL took part in this years Lord Mayors show.

see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMQML8Ri1xo

(about 6.41 into the clip).

Blink and you'll miss it though!


How wonderful, and in their collars as well. Very well done.


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On Saturday, there will be an "Open day" at Belfast Lodge 651 which I will be going to, still awaiting clearance after my sucessful ballot.

But I think the open day is a good idea

All the best

Chris

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Alan Campbell (23/11/2009)
Multisync, if better education, higher profile, and an explanation of what we are about is NOT the answer, what do you think the answer is in regards to better education of the public and stopping dwindling numbers.

The solution is from within.

There is little point in pouring them in the top if they are just falling out the bottom..Check the figures for drop out within the Craft. That is where the real  problem lies. Solve this and the dwindling numbers solves itself.....

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