The Degrees

Hi,

That is really interesting that some of your SR degrees are themed from WWII or whatever.

That I think is where some of the confusion came from because I am sure that most of the Brethren here who are not from the USA would have not known that!

Certainly I have never heard of that before.

In Spain under GLE in SR you first get your 4th degree. You then move onto the 18th. Once you have been through the chair you can move onto, if selected, your 30th with the 31,32 and 33* being administrative and or honorable.

The unworked degrees from 5 through 17 are demonstrated at Prov and Grand assemblies working through them in turn.

They don't have themes however, or rather they do, but as the ritual was originally, if that makes sense.

Thanks for your post, I have again learned something new, which is why I love this forum.

Thanks :)

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lauderdale	Posted 02/11/2009 12:39:48
Past Master Group: Forum Member Last Active: 10/07/2011 06:43:06 Posts: 2,136, Visits: 4,278 2,476	"....they are more common in the US." I don't wasnt to be pedanctic but in LDH here in the UK we also use the terms Scottish Rite A&ASR for the Degrees1-33 and York Rite for Mark, RAM, HRA, KTs and ROS.
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Brother_TJ	Posted 13/11/2009 17:06:12
Journeyman Group: Forum Member Last Active: 17/01/2012 00:42:17 Posts: 247, Visits: 376 312	How is Brother Peter Birchall? Best you speak to the RWM in your lodge about the Scottish Rite. There is the York Rites without the Templar degree and we have the Scottish Rite (Southern Jurisdiction) 4º-32º. They do have the Inspectors General degree, an honorary degree of the Scottish Rite. _________ ONLY Three degrees under the banner of Freemasonry: IS aka Blue Lodge is 1º, 2º, 3º. A 33º mason does not out RANK you. You do have Officers but it is an elected Officer not a ranked Officer. .·.·.·.·.·.·.·.·.·.·.·. Amethyst Lodge No. 2, Orient of Tulsa, Oklahoma and Isis Lodge No. 3, Orient of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma...A.F.H.R.
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bod	Posted 23/11/2009 12:54:13
Master Group: Forum Member Last Active: 03/02/2012 19:06:12 Posts: 706, Visits: 2,996 850	I too was somewhat surprised to read rmullins take, and on checking out the York Rite bodies in the USA they state that one has to be MM to join, even in Ohio
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dp	Posted 24/11/2009 10:13:35
Master Group: Forum Member Last Active: 08/01/2012 18:59:22 Posts: 1,082, Visits: 3,065 1,259	Hi, That is really interesting that some of your SR degrees are themed from WWII or whatever. That I think is where some of the confusion came from because I am sure that most of the Brethren here who are not from the USA would have not known that! Certainly I have never heard of that before. In Spain under GLE in SR you first get your 4th degree. You then move onto the 18th. Once you have been through the chair you can move onto, if selected, your 30th with the 31,32 and 33* being administrative and or honorable. The unworked degrees from 5 through 17 are demonstrated at Prov and Grand assemblies working through them in turn. They don't have themes however, or rather they do, but as the ritual was originally, if that makes sense. Thanks for your post, I have again learned something new, which is why I love this forum. Thanks :)
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Fire Mist	Posted 27/11/2009 14:55:38
Fellow Group: Forum Member Last Active: 02/02/2012 14:55:50 Posts: 523, Visits: 738 773	rmullins (24/11/2009) .........I guess for now on I'll just set in a corner and be a quiet observer and not say anything. Please do not do that. Immagine for a moment that you'd never posted... You would have never known that informaiton was not quite right from what you'd been told. And leads to some interesting thoughts. One question comes to mind; How long in most jurisdictions does one have to wait to continue past the 3rd? If you want to be free, there is but one way; it is to guarnatee an equally full measure of liberty to all your neighbors --Carl Schurz Darylee, 3°; (I am a women in Ohio, USA) Columbus,OH ; (Renaissance Lodge #5, Orient of Detroit) My posts are my personal opinions. The Opinions expressed herein don't represent the opinions of my Lodge, Grandlodge or any other Masonic jurisdiction. American Co-Masonry; The American Federation of Human Rights: http://www.co-masonry.org/
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dp	Posted 27/11/2009 15:06:02
Master Group: Forum Member Last Active: 08/01/2012 18:59:22 Posts: 1,082, Visits: 3,065 1,259	I agree with Fire Mist, please keep posting! You taught me something anyway! John, When I read the post I guessed that the WWII etc themes where a kind of a quirk. But I infer from what you are saying that in the future if the leadership gets it's way the SR will be a very different animal in the USA?
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lauderdale	Posted 27/11/2009 20:47:57
Past Master Group: Forum Member Last Active: 10/07/2011 06:43:06 Posts: 2,136, Visits: 4,278 2,476	I think I would far rather have a Degree based on the story of some Egyptian or Israelite of olden time than an American General, or even a British General such as Monty, of WW2 vintage.
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dp	Posted 29/11/2009 07:43:59
Master Group: Forum Member Last Active: 08/01/2012 18:59:22 Posts: 1,082, Visits: 3,065 1,259	Hi John, Very interesting. So... In the SR NMJ they have a new ritual that is based on either WWII or General Washington and this has replaced, in toto, the old ritual within the NMJ? So if one where to join SR under the NMJ they would only see the WWII or General Washington rituals, unless they were to travel outside the NMJ? If this is so, and if it is done to make the SR more patriotic and less mystical. Have the new rituals been stripped of much esotericism? Thanks...
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whistler	Posted 29/11/2009 08:49:34
Journeyman Group: Forum Member Last Active: 02/01/2012 19:13:38 Posts: 130, Visits: 1,101 240	In my Lodge we do consider degrees higher than the Master Mason, even when working in the craft Degree on Special Occasions Brn are invited to wear the regalia of their highest degree. The Highest the 33rd is restricted to only a very few in each country. We don't have names for our craft Ritual it is simply our ritual This Ritual was first published in 1904, Revised in 1913, 1916 and 1925 Issued by command and Authority of The Very Illustrious Brother RADHA BURNIER 33Degree P.M. As many will know she is a wonderful kind learned lady. She was instrumental in the formation of our order the Eastern Order of International Co-Freemasonry of which she remains the Head. I have had the pleasure of meeting her a couple of times when she visited NZ. A more humble serene lady you could never find. When she spoke she spoke so kindly with such sincerity and conviction, it was a delight just to be in her presence HGW Whistler Eastern order of International Co-freemasonry Auckland New Zealand ^{"Truth All truths are Truths of Period and not truths for eternity. What has been truth for the time was and is as good as men are capable of receiving}
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lauderdale	Posted 29/11/2009 09:37:56
Past Master Group: Forum Member Last Active: 10/07/2011 06:43:06 Posts: 2,136, Visits: 4,278 2,476	Bro Whistler, we too wear the collarettes or sashes of our Degree in A&ASR, if we hold one, when attending a Craft Lodge. Yesterday for example I was a visitor to one of our Craft Lodges at Hexagon House, Surbiton, London and there were members of the 33rd Degree present and also of the 32nd, and 18th such as myself. All wore their respective Collarattes. This is because we consider Craft as the 1st Three Degrees of an initiatic continuity from 1st to 33rd of the A&ASR. Does your Order also hold a similar view?
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