Recognition of each different jurisdictions.

Does our Order recognize the UGLE and American equals (what have you), the answer is yes.

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I heard this from our MSGC twice and three times from our Grand Secretary, both part of the Supreme Council 33º

The interesting part is we came from Recognized Brothers at one point or another, our lineage is from the Grand Orient de France (all Co-Freemasonic Orders came from GOdF), yet the GOdF was started by Brothers under the UGLE.

The GOdF used to be Recognized than they started to accept Atheists, not good in the eyes of the UGLE. GOdF is not Recognized anyone by UGLE.

The interesting part is we don't Recognize Orders that accept Atheists, so we don't Recognize the Order we originally came from. That brings up the whole politics of Masonic Orders and so forth. It is a hard pill to shallow, like divorcing your Mother and Father.

We DO NOT Recognize Orders or Masonic Organizations that can not trace their history or lineage to the Lodge in Edinburgh back when it all started in the late 1500s early 1600s and we do not recognize Lodges that never were part of the UGLE. So we do not Recognize "garage" Masons, "made-up" Masons, Freemasons without Charters, etc...

The GOdF in Paris was started by Recognized Brothers from the UGLE when they opened a Lodge in Dunkirk, France off the waters (merchants from England). I swear to you that is what it is you can send a letter to the Freemason's Hall in London and they would agree.

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When your application is accepted you still have to the dance in the Blue Lodge.

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Amethyst Lodge No. 2, Orient of Tulsa, Oklahoma and Isis Lodge No. 3, Orient of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma...A.F.H.R.

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Brother_TJ	Posted 23/12/2009 19:59:20
Journeyman Group: Forum Member Last Active: 17/01/2012 00:42:17 Posts: 247, Visits: 376 312	Mike Lawrence (24/10/2009) I know that the UGLE do not recognise either Feminine or Co Freemasonry, however, I do know that here in the East Kent Province certainly some Womens and Mens groups happily co-exisit in the same building with each others blessings, albeit their meetings are on separate nights. Therefore, do Feminine or Co Grand Lodges recognise UGLE? For example, I remember a good friend of mine who had been a PM in the Grand Lodge Of the Orient, on joining a Lodge constituted under the English Constitution, had to begin his whole Masonic career again, starting as EA. Is that the case in all jurisdictions? Yes. .·.·.·.·.·.·.·.·.·.·.·. Amethyst Lodge No. 2, Orient of Tulsa, Oklahoma and Isis Lodge No. 3, Orient of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma...A.F.H.R.
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lauderdale	Posted 23/12/2009 23:01:37
Past Master Group: Forum Member Last Active: 10/07/2011 06:43:06 Posts: 2,136, Visits: 4,278 2,476	No. When I joined LDH and was both able to show all my Certificates (or as we call them Diplomas) and prove myself in the various Degrees they were taken as valid. I did of course take part in the brief cermony affiliating me to LDH as I had joined them from another Masonic Obedience. I did not have to retake any of my Degrees.
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Pilgrim	Posted 24/12/2009 11:04:12
Apprentice Group: Forum Member Last Active: 02/10/2010 10:01:29 Posts: 70, Visits: 128 125	TJ, I mean this in the nicest possible way,but did you read all of the previous posts in this topic?
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Fire Mist	Posted 30/12/2009 19:24:09
Fellow Group: Forum Member Last Active: 02/02/2012 14:55:50 Posts: 523, Visits: 738 773	Mike Lawrence (24/10/2009) ....had to begin his whole Masonic career again, starting as EA...Is that the case in all jurisdictions? Yes, and No. It depends on what constitution the individual were coming from. Many choose to do it again anyway, as our newest member has. To me, I imagine it is sort of like my next door neighbors celebrating their 50th wedding anniversary with a ceremony at the church reaffirming their vows. sort of.. that is. Happy New Year All If you want to be free, there is but one way; it is to guarnatee an equally full measure of liberty to all your neighbors --Carl Schurz Darylee, 3°; (I am a women in Ohio, USA) Columbus,OH ; (Renaissance Lodge #5, Orient of Detroit) My posts are my personal opinions. The Opinions expressed herein don't represent the opinions of my Lodge, Grandlodge or any other Masonic jurisdiction. American Co-Masonry; The American Federation of Human Rights: http://www.co-masonry.org/
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lauderdale	Posted 30/12/2009 19:31:12
Past Master Group: Forum Member Last Active: 10/07/2011 06:43:06 Posts: 2,136, Visits: 4,278 2,476	"...Many choose to do it again anyway...". That would be a choice for the Individual to make for themselves unless their previous Degrees were not accepted as valid by their new Masonic Body. Personally, I can't see the point as unless repudiated by the Individual a Degree once confered lasts for life in my opinion.
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Fire Mist	Posted 30/12/2009 19:44:19
Fellow Group: Forum Member Last Active: 02/02/2012 14:55:50 Posts: 523, Visits: 738 773	I agree that once a Brother, always a Brother. Its all politics to me. As such, I probably will never 'get it'. That is, understand it all. If you want to be free, there is but one way; it is to guarnatee an equally full measure of liberty to all your neighbors --Carl Schurz Darylee, 3°; (I am a women in Ohio, USA) Columbus,OH ; (Renaissance Lodge #5, Orient of Detroit) My posts are my personal opinions. The Opinions expressed herein don't represent the opinions of my Lodge, Grandlodge or any other Masonic jurisdiction. American Co-Masonry; The American Federation of Human Rights: http://www.co-masonry.org/
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Brother_TJ	Posted 20/01/2010 18:36:10
Journeyman Group: Forum Member Last Active: 17/01/2012 00:42:17 Posts: 247, Visits: 376 312	Yes .·.·.·.·.·.·.·.·.·.·.·. Amethyst Lodge No. 2, Orient of Tulsa, Oklahoma and Isis Lodge No. 3, Orient of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma...A.F.H.R.
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Brother_TJ	Posted 16/02/2010 22:57:29
Journeyman Group: Forum Member Last Active: 17/01/2012 00:42:17 Posts: 247, Visits: 376 312	Does our Order recognize the UGLE and American equals (what have you), the answer is yes. __________________ I heard this from our MSGC twice and three times from our Grand Secretary, both part of the Supreme Council 33º The interesting part is we came from Recognized Brothers at one point or another, our lineage is from the Grand Orient de France (all Co-Freemasonic Orders came from GOdF), yet the GOdF was started by Brothers under the UGLE. The GOdF used to be Recognized than they started to accept Atheists, not good in the eyes of the UGLE. GOdF is not Recognized anyone by UGLE. The interesting part is we don't Recognize Orders that accept Atheists, so we don't Recognize the Order we originally came from. That brings up the whole politics of Masonic Orders and so forth. It is a hard pill to shallow, like divorcing your Mother and Father. We DO NOT Recognize Orders or Masonic Organizations that can not trace their history or lineage to the Lodge in Edinburgh back when it all started in the late 1500s early 1600s and we do not recognize Lodges that never were part of the UGLE. So we do not Recognize "garage" Masons, "made-up" Masons, Freemasons without Charters, etc... The GOdF in Paris was started by Recognized Brothers from the UGLE when they opened a Lodge in Dunkirk, France off the waters (merchants from England). I swear to you that is what it is you can send a letter to the Freemason's Hall in London and they would agree. ___________ When your application is accepted you still have to the dance in the Blue Lodge. .·.·.·.·.·.·.·.·.·.·.·. Amethyst Lodge No. 2, Orient of Tulsa, Oklahoma and Isis Lodge No. 3, Orient of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma...A.F.H.R.
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lauderdale	Posted 16/02/2010 23:33:23
Past Master Group: Forum Member Last Active: 10/07/2011 06:43:06 Posts: 2,136, Visits: 4,278 2,476	Unlike AFHR, LDH does recognise GOdF. I have happily sat in Lodge with them.
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Alan Campbell	Posted 17/02/2010 00:06:02
Master Group: Forum Member Last Active: 04/02/2012 12:02:46 Posts: 1,247, Visits: 2,228 1,391	TJ, i really don't understand your post, are you saying that all of freemasonry is descended from GOdF which you say was started in a lodge in dunkirk or that we are all descended from a lodge in Edinburgh which was started in the 1500's. because i think that you are wrong on both points. To me the recognition issue comes down to the ancient charges agreed upon by the Home grand lodges, they set down a set of rules that they wish to abide by, therefor jurisdiction which adheres to these ancient charges are usually given recoginition by the home lodges. The other obediences recognise each other for what they are, masonic orders with slight differences. This does not make them anything less than the Home lodges or lodges in amity with the home lodges, it just means they follow a different set of charges that the homelodges do. Both UGLE and GLoS have sections mentioning women in freemasonry, to me that means that they recognise that they exist but because of the ancient charges they can never be in amity with them, unless of course they want to re-write the rule books, which i very much doubt will happen. Recognition is not a problem, nearly all masons know that other obediences exist but for most they are happy with the type of masonry that they are in, others like whistler and lauderdale needed something different and they changed, it doesn't make there freemasonry anything less.
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