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cuthbert
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Posted 28/09/2009 17:15:35
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Tom Cherup (28/09/2009)
Mike Lawrence (28/09/2009)
Sorry to differ brethren, but pure antient masonry consists of only three degrees including that of the Holy Royal Arch. See the Book Of Constitutions. Here in the States our lodges only go to the third degree. Royal Arch is found in one of the side orders known as York Rite. Just to clarify, the Royal Arch in England is not worked in the lodges, but there's a separate Chapter for that. Also, in the Constitution, it is called "Supreme Order of the Holy Royal Arch", so it is considered separated, BUT a part of Ancient Masonry. It was mainly a political problem involving the comprise of 1813, the Ancients saved the HRA but they weren't able to keep the Mark and the other degrees that you work in the Chapter of the York Rite...at least this is what I know.
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cuthbert
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Posted 28/09/2009 17:18:33
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Lauderdale (28/09/2009)
"See the Book Of Constitutions."
Bear in mind that this is the UGLE B of C being refered to. It has no authority outside of UGLE, especially in its remarks about HRA which in my obedience and many others is part of the York Rite.
In my Masonic Body, Le Droit Humain, there is an Initiatic Continuity in the A&ASR from 1st to 33rd Degree. I for example hold the 18th Degree of the A&ASR (Rose Croix) and wear my 18th Degree Collarette in a Craft Lodge.
Mike Martin is correct that the 33 degrees in the A&ASR refer to the 33 years that our Lord Jesus Christ spent on Earth in human form although the number 33 has other Esoteric significance.The people that I know in the AASR told me that the 33 degress refer to the three degrees of the Blue lodge, 10 for the entered apprentice, 10 for the fellowcraft and 10 for the master, plus 3 administrative degrees (31 to 33) to rule the Rite...
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Posted 28/09/2009 18:16:56
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Bro cuthbert, an interesting variation and one I had not heard. Goes to prove that no matter how long one has been in Freemasonry or in how many Orders and Degrees there is always something new to learn.You are correct that the 31st to 33rd Degrees, at least in the eway we do A&ASR in LDH, and I am sure in some of the other Obediences and GLs etc, have an Administrative function as well as a Ritualistic and Ceremonial one. I do know that holders of these Higher Degrees do a lot of work behind the scenes.
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cuthbert
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Posted 28/09/2009 20:07:41
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Lauderdale (28/09/2009)
Bro cuthbert, an interesting variation and one I had not heard. Goes to prove that no matter how long one has been in Freemasonry or in how many Orders and Degrees there is always something new to learn.
You are correct that the 31st to 33rd Degrees, at least in the eway we do A&ASR in LDH, and I am sure in some of the other Obediences and GLs etc, have an Administrativefunction as well as a Ritualistic and Ceremonial one. I do know that holders of these HigherDegrees do a lot of work behind the scenes.
According to my bibliography about the AASR the degrees of the Rite were classified in the Council of Losanna in 1875 as follows:
1) 5 gnostic rosicrucian degrees
2) 6 biblical degrees
3) 4 degrees from German Enlightement
4) 2 degrees from the Jewish Deism
5) 2 chilvary degreess
6) 1 apocalyptic
8) 8 templar degrees
9) 1 ermetic degree
10) 1 kabbalistic
...but they also that this classification is disputed because the Council was sponsored by the Supreme Councils of France and Belgium and they wanted to move the Rite towards a more mystic path.
In Italy the AASR degrees are divided in four series
1)Blue degrees (symbolic): 1-3
2)Red degrees (capitulary): 4-18
3)Black degrees (kadosh knight): 30
4)White degrees (administrative): 31-33
http://www.granloggia.it/GLDI/default.aspx/1294-la_piramide_iniziatica.htm
Ou of curiousity, do you work ALL the degrees in the LDH?As far as I know, very few degrees are performed, usually the 4th, the 9th, the 18th, the 30th and of course the last three, that are restricted, or the 4th, the 13th, the 18th and the 30th.
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lauderdale
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Posted 28/09/2009 22:17:38
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"Out of curiousity, do you work ALL the degrees in the LDH?" Bro Cuthbert.At present no, but it is not outwith the bonds of possibility that we might do so at some time. Currently, the Three Craft Degrees are the First Three in A&ASR, Degrees 4-16 are confered nominally, the 17th Degree is worked, (it is short) then the 18th Degree is worked in full. 19 to 29 again are nominal but the 30th Knight Kadosh is worked as are the 31st, 32nd, and 33rd to those who attain such heights.
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Mike Lawrence
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Posted 01/10/2009 12:22:27
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Posted 01/10/2009 12:39:22
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An interesting article albeit written from a very UGLE perspective.
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Posted 17/02/2010 20:03:35
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In Canada, we confer the degrees in the following manner.
1-3 - Craft Lodge
4-14 - Lodge of Perfection
15-18 - Chapter of Rose Croix
19-32 - Consistory
33- Honorary Degree, apart from the rest of the system.
Our Valley works almost all the degrees. In the lodge of Perfection, I think there are only 2 degrees communicated, and 3 or 4 in the Consistory. The Valley is hoping to be able to do the entire slate in the next few years.
Drew McIntosh
SD, Commercial 81
Edmonton, AB
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