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Posted 23/08/2009 08:53:31
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What is the oldest recorded Lodge in the world ? I am under the impression it is Mother Kilwinning no 0 UGoS ? Would this be correct ? FSB
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Posted 23/08/2009 10:56:36
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Free State Boer (23/08/2009)
What is the oldest recorded Lodge in the world ? I am under the impression it is Mother Kilwinning no 0 UGoS ? Would this be correct ? FSB Hi FSB I do not actually know the answer to your question, however this article may be of interest to you. Its best to Right Click on the link below and select 'Open in new window' http://www.masonic-lodge-of-education.com/oldest-masonic-lodge.html S & F Stephen
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Patrick McBlain
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Posted 23/08/2009 11:33:33
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The oldest lodge still in existence is Mary's Chapel No1 (1599), The oldest surviving minute of a lodge is that of Lodge Atchison's Haven (spelling might not be correct)although this lodge is now extinct.Cheers Patrick
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Posted 23/08/2009 12:03:20
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Free State Boer (23/08/2009)
What is the oldest recorded Lodge in the world ? I am under the impression it is Mother Kilwinning no 0 UGoS ?
Would this be correct ?
FSB
Most difficult of all the questions is that relating to the Lodges adopting a 'formal setting', because, in the early days especially, so much of our knowledge is based upon inference... Perhaps the best early example for our purpose, is in the Minutes of Lodge Mother Kilwinning, which reveal the pattern of meetings... This pattern of procedure repeats itself fairly regularly from the 1640's onwards. The routine, furnishings and equipment may have been rough-and-ready, but it is from ancient lodges like this one that the old traditions stemmed'
Carr, H. (1992) The Freemason at Work, 7th edn. Surrey, Lewis Masonic: p.51
Strength of manhood and beauty of spirit need combination. Masonry thus needs strength with gracefulness, stability with courtesy, and firmness with gentleness.
Sapere aude; incipe!
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Patrick McBlain
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Posted 23/08/2009 12:10:31
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Just to add the correct spelling is Aitchison's Haven (6th January 1598)Another interesting ponit is John Boswell of Auchinleck (earliest known non operative mason) was admitted into Mary's Chapel 6th June 1600. This is almost one year after the oldest minute of the Lodge is dated (July 1599) Cheers Patrick
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Posted 23/08/2009 12:56:50
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This may be of interest :)
Early (pre-1710) masonic lodges in Scotland.
Arranged by dates of earliest known references:
1. Aitchinson's Haven, 9 January 1599.
2. Edinburgh, 31 July 1599.
3. St Andrews, 27 November 1599.
4= Kilwinning, 28 December 1599.
4= Stirling, 28 December 1599.
6. Haddington, 1599.
7.Dunfermline, 1600-1.
8. Glasgow, 31 December 1613.
9. Dundee, 1627-8.
10. Linlithgow, 2 March 1654.
Stevenson, D. (1998) The Origins of Freemasonry. Cambridge University Press, New York: p.234
Strength of manhood and beauty of spirit need combination. Masonry thus needs strength with gracefulness, stability with courtesy, and firmness with gentleness.
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Free State Boer
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Posted 23/08/2009 16:42:46
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Awesome thanks for the info, I reallly enjoy this forum. :)FSB
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Posted 23/08/2009 18:02:16
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I would have said Mother Kilwinning too but it looks as if Aitcheson's Haven should have that honour.
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Alan Campbell
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Posted 23/08/2009 22:12:54
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I have always believed that aitchesons haven was the oldest RECORDED minute of a lodge but mother kilwinning gave them the authority to work. Which means that althought they don't have anything minuted they are in fact older. In my own province we have Ancient stirling #30,this lodge has records also going back to 1599,they have issued a charter on there own behalf and have, as the oldest lodge in the area represented grand lodge at the consecration of another lodge(also wearing grand lodge regalia, the lodge in question was lodge Zetland 391 from Grangemouth).All that aside i am sure that the lodges mentioned are much older than the recorded records that each lodge holds, so to identify any as being the oldest is nigh on impossible.
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Lew Finnis
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Posted 29/08/2009 22:36:12
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Just to stir things a bit - we don't know, of course, whether there were older Lodges in England as the records don't exist (or haven't been found). Clearly they were around by the 1640s though possibly organised on a more casual basis.
Until someone unearths a long-lost minute book..........:)
Craft 8093 PProvGSD (Worcs); 881 (GL/BFG) PDepGDC
RA 784 PProvGReg (Worcs)
Mark 152 590(Hon) 1406 PProvGMOv (Worcs)
RAM 152 590(Hon) ProvRAMGR
KT 52 325 PGtCofG
OSM 305 436 513 PGStwd
RC 908 30°
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